Monolog of a [W]hite Supremacist Part I

At a certain point in our dialog I stopped responding to him and started writing the posts “Dialog with a [W]hite Supremacist” Parts I through VI. He had given me a lot of material and I wanted to begin the task of trying to flesh out his ideas. I think he wanted to keep commenting back and forth. But, after a while that sort of exchange becomes counter productive because our egos get involved and the discussion of the issues begins to take second place to trying to make the other person appear foolish.

But he kept commenting. This time he was commenting on my commentary of the comments from the post “Ego and Forgiveness.” It was all getting very meta. Much of his commentary was a repetition of thoughts he had already expressed. But now and again he would introduce something new. The following series of articles is my attempt to present his ideas as I understand them and provide whatever commentary on them I can. To be honest most of what he wrote was incomprehensible. It seemed to make a great deal of sense in his mind but he had trouble articulating these ideas in a way that made sense to me. Often when I asked him to clarify what he meant he became obstinate and accused me of being willfully ignorant or unable to recognize the truth of his ideas because I approached it from the standpoint of “Radical Autonomy.” He had trouble accepting the possibility that his ideas were anything but obvious and straight forward to me.

The radical autonomist, to maintain his appearance of radical autonomy, ie., his appearance of having more freedom than the rest, must ultimately destroy his Origin and blur his final destination. In other words, the radical autonomist must perpetually fill a self-created vacuum that has no beginning or end. He completes this task through cycles of self-creation/self-annihilation each time due entropic laws losing a little bit of “matter” in which to create a new Self ultimately leading to Final Liberation… Self-annihilation… No more “matter” in which to create the next new Self that was promptly destroyed when recognized as a particular impediment to one’s autonomy.

This label “Radical Autonomist” is very important to him. To him there are the true believers acting morally with what he calls “God-ordained free will” who represent a small fraction of the population. Then there are the “Radical Autonomists” who I presume seek autonomy from God which ultimately results in “self-annihilation.” He has never defined “God-ordained free will” except to say that it is the pursuit of perfection. He calls this perfection “Supremacy” but seems resistant to say that “Supremacy” in this context is related to supremacy over other people. He calls it “Objective Supremacy” which he relates to the teachings of Christ which he seems to think (inexplicably) encourage each racial grouping to perfect themselves independent of other racial groupings. He rejects the notion that this particular teaching of Christ requires scriptural support which I find confusing because how else does one know the teachings of Christ if not through scripture? What would this other source be?

As you can see his intellectual framework is very complicated and difficult to follow. Each idea is layered upon another in a complex tapestry. I have a hard time approaching it systematically. However, it all seems painfully obvious to him. As such anyone who cannot make sense of it is either willfully ignorant or under the influence of the philosophy of “Radical Autonomy.”

Several times he has labeled me a Radical Autonomist and seems to assume I follow all the tenants of Radical Autonomism that he sees laid out in his head. It is unclear to me what he thinks these tenants are other than the ultimate desire to break free from God. But I have no desire for this outcome. This he will not listen to but sees every action I take and every idea I express to be further evidence of his beliefs.

He talks about the Radical Autonomist “creating cycles of self-creation and self-annihilation.” I’m not sure if he is referring to the Eastern notions of reincarnation where the ultimate goal is to escape the cycle of rebirth. It seems to fit on some level because there is the idea of achieving “no self” which sounds a lot like his “Self Annihilation.” However, in the Eastern context (at least to the extent I understand it) escaping the cycle of rebirth is a desirable outcome and to him it is not. He sees it as separation from God but I think this is a mistake. I believe according to the Eastern model, liberation from the self is a return to God. In other words it is the “self” that causes the separation from God.

He talks about “no new matter being available to create a new self.” I am not sure what he is getting at here. I am not even 100% sure he is talking about reincarnation. Certainly most sects of Christianity do not believe in reincarnation with the possible exception of the Gnostics. His rhetoric does not echo other Gnostic themes as far as I can tell, however.

So in the end I arrive where I started with him. Trying to make sense of his ideas is extremely confusing. The more I try the more confusing it becomes. But I will continue.

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108 responses to “Monolog of a [W]hite Supremacist Part I

  1. thordaddy

    Radical autonomy is the ideal state reached when CONSISTENTLY applying the Liberal Values of nondiscrimination and tolerance.

    Or, as I like to state…

    Nondiscrimination plus tolerance is the surest path to self-annihilation.

    Of course, for the WHOLE THING to be realized… To reach a state of Equality… The REAL PACT is an all-accepting indiscriminancy… An equality of radical autonomists.

    In other words, in order for your “kind” to defeat white Supremacy and DEMAND that all territory be under the Jack-boot of Equality REQUIRES that each and everyone within the Liberal Pact (all-accepting… Tolerant) grant the indiscriminate thoughts and acts of all others IN RETURN for the same “liberal privilege.” So there is now an “equality” in total chaos.

  2. thordaddy

    wS…

    If one adheres to a liberated language such as yourself AND THEN attempts to set in concrete particular interpretations of Scripture then “we” say his operating paradigm is “radical autonomy.”

  3. thordaddy

    wS…

    One must “see” parts and whole.

    ALL love to God leaves NOTHING for thyself or thy neighbor…

    But BECAUSE so many fail… Almost all will fail to give all their love to God, “we” are gifted with lesser avenues in which to project our love. Yet, even here and with our initial failing to give all love to God, the equivalent mercy applies. So even in failing to love thyself as thy neighbor, “we” are still gifted with “lesser” avenues to project “our” love. Although, IF ONE is fundamentally constituted of a liberal state of mind then his projection of love will appear quite chaotic, self-annihilating and bat-shit crazy to one not beholden to radical autonomy, ie., consistent application of nondiscrimination and tolerance.

    • Have you succeeded in giving all your love to God?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Absolutely not… I’ve been immersed my entire life in a society in which such a “thing” is strictly taboo.

        And so have you… So much so that you actually think your god will have you self-annihilate for him just coincidentally running quite concurrently with the aims of the zeitgeist.

      • If you have not succeeded in giving all your love to God then I assume that you have fallen back on the second commandment. Why then have you not chosen to love your neighbor?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        But the real question is how to take parts and make whole. You cannot build love where you fail to love. You must build love out of what you already love. But even there, such a love must be disciplined and not self-annihilating. A love that turns on itself was never to be loved in the first place.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Because the “neighbor” of the Bible IS NOT the “neighbor” of the modern world and the fact that where I interpret “neighbor” of the Bible to be “of kind,” your notion of “neighbor” is both NEITHER you AND NOT “of kind.” In other words, a meta-shit test for BETA Christians.

        I’m no beta Christian.

      • I marvel at your ability to interpret the bible to fit your dogma. This is very top down thinking.

        I still don’t understand how you get your racial theory based on the teachings of Christ. If you could run over that one for me I’d appreciate it.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        I build my love from the bottom up thinking from the top down. You SEEM to build your love from the top down without thinking about the bottom looking up?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        There is NO racial theory…

        Theories are for “things” like “climate change” and “evolution.” Phenomena so “large” and effectuous as to be TOTALLY unobservable by the most wide-eyed scientist. Thus, he devises theories to fill in the gaps and CREATE synthesis.

        RACE, at its CORE, is winstonScrooge’s SPECIFIC LINE of fathers back to the God-father.

        You are, at least psychologically, rattling this chain back to its Origin with your insistence that your knowledge of Christianity WAS OBTAINED outside for racial FACTS?

        AGAIN…

        A white Supremacist is a white man (fact NOT theory) who BELIEVES IN and therefore strives towards (goes to… seeks out) objective Supremacy (SECULAR-speak). Otherwise, understood by most to mean that which is objectively supreme, ie., Perfection, “itself,” in the absolute sense.

        And because one is a radical autonomist WITHOUT awareness of the fact, he CAN COHERENTLY reject Perfection as existent and seemingly act and think without repercussion (he is imperfection against a backdrop of imperfection and so appears equally redundant). The radical autonomist is against the above RACE OF WHITE MEN without even realizing he is against the above race of white men striving towards objective Supremacy. And even when he is happily left out, it does not suit him well to believe he was actually self-rejected.

        A “white” Christian is a soon to be dead Christian. And most likely, no martyr.

        A white Christian is at least able to go down on the side of his fathers for better or worse. His chain is long, but even the weakest links are now petrified solidly into the fabric of time. It’s always the last link that decides the entire of your chain.

        You are a deracinated “Christian.” A self-annihilating “Christian.” And I refuse to believe that Christianity asks the individual adherent to racially self-annihilate. It is INCOHERENT to self-annihilate FOR Perfection. It’s not backed by Scripture. But it is the very meme that has Western Christianity facing existential crisis.

      • Doesn’t everyone trace their lines of fathers back to God?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        No… And even of the ones that do, many do not give it any meta-meaning. Or, they forsake ALL worldly fathers in sacrifice to the God-father or revere the wordly fathers to the total decimation of the God-father. Few embrace the totality.

      • So only white people can trace their linage back to God according to your theory? If so, how do you know this?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        In order for one to understand the “logical” leap you have made from your predicament (WHY are you self-annihilating for Perfection) to the creation of a “predicament” that I must now answer (WHY can’t other races self-annihilate for Perfection), one must understand the machinations of a radical autonomist.

        What you have done is failed to answer through obfuscation WHEN THE OBJECTIVE is to hide the self-annihilator OF ALL STRIPES in a chaotic redundancy.

        So of course, ANYONE CAN self-annihilate for Perfection…

        But what THEY CANNOT DO…

        Is CLAIM that Perfection COMMANDS this self-annihilation…

        This is EXACTLY what the anti-white Supremacist such as yourself actually believe… You must self-annihilate for Perfection LIKE ALL OTHER RACES… This is your “universalism” masking a desire for total human equality. This is the “best” it can be… Everyone cannot be great, but everyone can be equal… This is the liberal “Christian’s” true belief. This equality REQUIRES racial self-annihilation, ie., deracination.

      • These theories are so complicated and obscure. What do you base them on? Where did this system come from?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        You must jest???

        There is nothing obscure about anti-white Supremacy…

        Nothing obscure about Christian persecution…

        Nothing obscure about white female’s below replacement level fertility…

        Nothing obscure about formerly nearly all white natiions being overrun by miggers and self-annihilating fanatics…

        Nothing obscure about the dwindling prospects of young white boys going forward…

        Nothing obscure about a self-loathing, history-hating “white” liberal…

        Nothing obscure about a megalomaniacal white-hating nigger “enjoying” ever more autonomy of the kind he likes…

        Nothing obscure about evangelizing “Christians” transforming neighborhoods into alien-nation…

        You “see,” I know you see, but you MUST MAINTAIN FRAME… Radical autonomy DEMANDS you be genuinely oblivious to all the above ESPECIALLY IN TOTALITY.

        So you are either really good or really ignorant? And you don’t get the benefit of ignorance.

      • But how do you square all that with Christianity as revealed in scripture? It fits like a square peg in a round hole. Wouldn’t it be easier for you to drop the Christian part of your system and just say you are a white Supremacist?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        I need not square anything with Christianity. I wholeheartedly embrace its fundamental assertion…

        Where you and I differ is quite simple…

        I believe one must strive to project Perfection both individually and collectively as exemplar of his race of fathers and you believe in “self-annihilation for salvation” as commanded by your imperfect god.

        This schismatic relationship demands separation or what exactly?

      • What do you believe to be the fundamental assertion of Christianity?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        The Christian Assertion is that The Perfect Man walked earth as empirical FACT forever ESTABLISHING a hierarchy of man AND FALSIFYING “equality” for all time…

        This could be contrasted to the modern theoretical physicist’s assertion that “reality” is “something from nothing.”

        But in between these two most extremely antithetical assertions is the worldly battle ground of philosophy, ideology, biology, politics, commerce, religion and so forth.

        Yet… These two extreme assertions are really ONLY FERVENTLY held in the mind by a certain racial archetype, namely, the German-Anglo hybrid found mainly in America and Europe. Such archetype is suited for annihilation, but such endeavor must be hidden within a larger proxy war against JUST “whites.” That’s where individuals such as yourself come in to play the role of facilitating self-annihilator. You help keep the enemies of white Christianity from having to get their hands bloody. You “preach” a “self-annhilation for salvation” dogma as properly commanded by your secular masters so as to cull at margins working inward.

      • How does Jesus’ existence establish a hierarchy of man? Where in his teachings do you find this?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Should I really believe that you are this naive?

        Should I really believe that the nigger is really so impoverished?

        Should I really believe that the homodyke is oh-so persecuted?

        Should I really believe that the jihadist is the poor victim of a backlash?

        Should I really believe that the migger just wants a better life for his kids?

        Should I really believe that Jews are supreme and destined to dominate the gentile?

        Do you ask yourself any of these questions?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        You went to the Orthosphere believing you were congregating amongst “extreme right wing” Christians WHEN IN FACT you were merely amongst anti-white Supremacists and fellow deracinated “self-annihilation for salvation” “Christians.”

        You only know this now, but the fact that you disagreed with the core of Orthosphereans on the issue of “contraception” WAS JUST THE “right” DELUSION and DISTRACTION needed to manufacture a “schism” not really there. Your real difference is only a matter of degree… Where you BOTH will ultimately self-annihilate, Orthosphereans simply attest to not using contraception to that end as “it” is not the type of self-annihilation liable to gain salvation IN THEIR MINDS. You, perhaps, have a different take, but from the perspective of the genuine white Supremacist, it’s a distinction without difference. You are both wrong FUNDAMENTALLY… And that is your connection… ROOTED in wrongness and anti-white Supremacy.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Aren’t some things self-evident?

        Such as…

        The existence of The Perfect Man establishing the hierarchy of man…

        Meaning, because “we” have a REAL, empirically-verified model for perfect being then MAN is NO LONGER CONFINED to the redundant existence of “equality.” In other words, men with God-ordained free will can now step higher than before and because reality DICTATES that some will effort more than others in this desire to ascend then a hierarchy of man NATURALLY MANIFESTS “out of” the phenomenon that is The Perfect Man.

      • There is NOTHING in Christ’s teachings suggesting a hierarchy of man as you describe. In fact, the perfect man’s teachings contradict this theory of yours directly.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        You are on a different track. I am not arguing that Christ taught a “hierarchy of man” (although he did at least implicitly, of course), I am simply stating that the FACT of Christ’s existence FALSIFIES an equality of man. This is what the enemies of Christianity find so abhorrent EVEN as they preen for morally superior status. It’s a deceitful posture… The act of the radical autonomist… The show that a liberal “Christian” puts forth.

      • What specifically in Christ’s teachings implies a hierarchy of man?

  4. thordaddy

    wS…

    From the perspective of the radical autonomist the “connection” between white Supremacy and Christianity is belief in Perfection. This belief is a degenerate belief and so the following equations are manifest reality to the truly radically autonomous…

    Supremacy = degeneracy…

    Such that…

    White Supremacy = white degeneracy = white Christianity (you and I)…

    You fail to see this negative association because you fail to “see” yourself in the eyes of the true anti-white Christian. In your mind, such an individual only really has quasi-existence. You further fail to “see” the truth of this equation because although you believe the first half to be true and the latter half to be false, the true error of your ways is not accepting the ABSOLUTE TRUTH of white Supremacist = white Christian… And you only falsify this true equation by way of pathological deracination… Becoming a self-annihilating “Christian.”

    • Blah blah blah. Just answer the question.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Yours is exactly the wrong question MOST LIKELY ASKED in very bad faith…

        The question is what in Christ’s teachings mandate racial self-annihilation as a means to salvation?

        I’m not even suggesting white Supremacy as the MEANS to salvation (that is a whole other schismatic endeavor 2000 years in the making) ONLY that the white Christian… The racialized Western Christian is a white Supremacist…

        What EXACTLY IS YOUR ARGUMENT?

        What are you saying isn’t allowed by Christ’s teachings that is allowed by white Supremacy? Equal versus unequal love? You MUST LOVE ALL EQUALLY while I MUST LOVE the right “things?” I say yours is a logically impossible ideology and you say mine is a selfish, separatist, evil exclusivity…

        Who is RIGHT? He who claims his Christianity mandate he love everything equally to the point of self-annihilation or the white Supremacist who believes he must love the right “things” per recognition of his gift of God-ordained free will?

      • Ok. I say Christianity mandates me to drink banana milkshakes. My mandate has just as much to do with Christianity as yours does.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        What does it mean to you to call yourself a Christian versus denying that you are a white Supremacist?

      • The two terms have nothing to do with one another. As far as I am concerned a person can be one or the other, both, or neither. They are fully autonomous categories.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        And this is where we disagree IN THE ABSOLUTE SENSE…

        In the absolute sense, a white Christian is a white Supremacist is a white Christian is a white Supremacist… The attempt to disassociate these synonymous entities in the absolute sense is the project of the radical autonomist.

      • I know you keep saying that but you have never explained a convincing causal connection between the two categories.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        You mean to tell me you’ve never heard of the “white racist Christian?” You have no idea of the causal link MADE BY RADICAL LIBERALS between “racist” whites and bigoted, intolerant Christians? Surely you jest yet again? Surely, you’ve heard of the racist, sexist, homophobic American Christianity so prominent in influencing the culture ever more radically right?

        If your type of Christianity equals the extinction of its adherents, does that signal a bug or its primary feature?

      • These are two fringe elements you describe. I don’t belong to either camp despite your desire to label me a radical liberal.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        You really don’t have full control in what you are especially in the realm of perception. This is the weakness of radical autonomy. This is the weakness in not declaring yourself something particular.

      • And you so badly need to establish yourself as more important and better than your neighbor that you devise elaborate formulas and label and categorize people. When these formulas and labels don’t match up with reality you find a way to blame someone else. It’s not your fault you are miserable it is the fault of the other 99% of the population.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        If that invoked a hardy chuckle, couid “we” say your profiling skills are quite poor?

        I’ve been a bouncer for nearly 20 years in SoCal… One of the largest tourist, military, technocratic and sport cities in the nation and world. The amount of different individuals I’ve seen and interacted with not just nationally, but internationally, has to put me in the top 1% of real diverse social action… I’m a people’s person… I can play any role. I’m the best wS and radical autonomist just for the simple fact that I’ve decided to jump ahead of the inertia.

        What about you?

        What is the REAL DISAGREEMENT?

        I’m a white Supremacist… A white Christian that believes in the existence of objective Supremacy…

        Isn’t that YOU TOO?

      • I have spent the majority of our interaction trying to make sense of your mumbo jumbo. You are the one consistently trying to make things personal by labeling me and making pronouncements about my politics and state of mind. I can guess based on your tactics what your state of mind is and it does not surprise me that you would reject my assessment.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        It’s fascinating to me that after being so forthright in attempting to explain to you the reality exactly how I see it that you still cannot ONLY NOT make a connection between your anti-white Supremacy AND self-annihilating “Christianity,” BUT YOU TRULY CANNOT SEE the connection between the total taboo on “white supremacy” and white Christianity AS “we” KNOW IT going extinct IN THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE.

        This IS RADICAL AUTONOMY…

        A PROFOUND DETACHMENT from really real reality.

        You are but one instance of so many of the same mindset. The above reality WAS UNREALITY TO YOU. NOW, it mere fantasy.

        Baby steps. Or not?

      • Being white or any race is not the most important thing in the world to me. It has some importance it is just not THE MOST important.

      • thordaddy

        wS….

        Ok… Now “we” are getting somewhere…

        But…

        I NEVER said race was the “most important thing.” In fact, I have said over and over again that objective Supremacy is the “target” of worship… That “thing” we healthy-minded white men seek out. Our race is our collective struggle in seeking out that Perfection.

        You have AT LEAST come back towards sanity… You have AT LEAST GIVEN lip-service to the idea that in our struggle as Christians is our existential crisis as white men. Clearly, only a madman at this point is willing to argue against the fact that both whites and white Christianity are going extinct. In Western Europe, they are truly post-Christian, facing a near apocalyptic invasion of all sort of non-white radical autonomist and are staunch anti-white Supremacy. They make no connections. That’s borderline evil or truly pathological self-annihilation!

      • You are disingenuous when you say supremacy means perfection. You clearly mean white supremacy to mean supremacy over other races at least as a means of survival of the white race, no? Or am I misreading what you just wrote?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Wrong… It is SELF-EVIDENT that objective Supremacy is Perfection. “We” also know that “white supremacy” IS A RELATIVIST CONCEPTION that you cling to like a filthy, ragged blanket that stills provides suitable comfort to your ego…

        YOU REFUSE TO CONCEPTUALIZE white Supremacy in the ABSOLUTE SENSE because of FEAR… The fear of the imposition of your fathers… Your race!

      • It is hardly self evident when you ascribe definitions to words that are contrary to their plain meanings and mean something different depending on the context. If I cannot conceptualize what you describe it is for this reason more than anything else.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        So you cannot conceptualize objective Supremacy as Perfection?

        That’s exactly the PROBLEM…

        That’s exactly the evidence of brainwashing that you SHOULD LOOK for…

      • Let’s try this… What are the qualities of perfection as you see them?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        The essence of perfection is doing all right… In secularist “game” terms, it would be equivalent to executing all the right moves as the most guaranteed path to victory.

        Perfection, in the absolute sense, is He who wills ALL RIGHT… Might makes Right… Objective Supremacy… “That” which the white Christian seeks.

        This is contrasted to “he who will do anything” and the self-refuting paradox such a state of being presents.

      • So you are saying might is perfection? How is that not racial supremacy in the traditional sense you claim misrepresents your philosophy?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        I am saying that the Mightiest… He who creates Right… IS objectively Supreme… And according to the faithful white Christian, this objective Supremacy is Perfection…

        But again, you DESIRE to drag “us” back to the relativist conception that grants “us” no existing sovereignty outside the “other.” In other words, you SIMPLY WILL NOT conceive of white Supremacy in any, way, shape or form THAT FIRST is not tied directly to the dominant anti-white Supremacist paradigm.

        You simply cannot and will not conceive of the white Supremacist as a white man who seeks out objective Supremacy, PERIOD… End of story… No reason to invoke another single individual… You JUST WON’T DO IT…

        WHY is the 64 thousand question to which you are so reluctant to answer.

      • Asking a question to clarify your incomprehensible system is not the same thing as not being able to conceive something. Please give a concrete example of a perfect person and what he or she would act like.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        This is psychological war…

        You DO NOT WANT TO BE forced to seek Perfection…

        You DO NOT WANT TO BE PERCEIVED as acting like you are better than others…

        BUT…

        You still want to be saved and go to Heaven… A desire not even within your ultimate control as the white Christian understands that he cannot save himself…

        But YOU WILL NOT SEEK Perfection…

        BECAUSE it looks so “racist…”

        So you are in fact in a state of deconversion due ideological extortion…

        You will not BE a white Supremacist BECAUSE you cannot save yourself…

        Self-annihilation is the final act.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Um… Jesus Christ IS The Perfect Man…

        This is an established, empirical fact according to the white Christian faithful… This fact CANNOT BE overturned or undermined… Cannot NOT REVERBERATE for all time… Cannot ever be NOT A FACT… The Perfect Man IS the very “operating paradigm” of the white Christian. Ergo, objective Supremacy is the natural and traditional “operating paradigm” of the white man.

        THIS IS NOT INCOMPREHENSIBLE!

        That ^^^ is your radically autonomous ploy to ESCAPE the impostion of white Supremacy upon you as a “white” male.

      • So then you would agree that the teachings of Jesus would show us how to be perfect?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Absolutely…

        BUT THE GREATER TRUTH…

        Is that some individuals and thus some race of individuals take those teachings of how to be perfect more serious than others. So much so, that it makes such individuals and their race a target for annihilation by those who vehemently reject the idea of The Perfect Man as empirical fact.

      • So if the teachings of Christ show us how to be perfect does it give you pause that his teachings bear no resemblance to your theories on race?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        If Christianity really taught what you thought it taught then the enemies of Christianity need do nothing to see victory but wait… All else being just violently gratuitous impatience.

      • You are the one making the claim that Christianity teaches racial theory directly opposed to the scriptural teachings of Jesus. The burden of proof is on you. Thus far you have not met this burden.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        No… This is not what I’m saying…

        The Perfect Man teaches one how to be perfect. One is ALREADY racial per Creation. The BURDEN IS ON YOU to defend your Christianity as teaching racial self-annihilation to be “perfect.”

      • It does not necessarily follow that because there are different races they should necessarily separate and not interact with compassion. I could argue that because different races can produce offspring they were meant to come together.

        No. I have no burden to defend these made up labels you have invented. You made them up. You defend them yourself.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Now you have just changed the goal posts…

        Does Christ teach us to be perfect by becoming a One World liberal utopia? Are “we” all as children of God to have the exact same relationship with Father?

        But still….

        You are attempting to slip around the disagreement which IS NOT whether Christ teaches each and everyone that hears His words the path to Perfection, BUT WHETHER certain individuals AND THUS a certain race of individuals seeks Perfection more fervently and faithfully than others…

        AND ONLY THE FOOLISH ATTEMPTS to claim that all men seek equally…

        Quit substituting your fantasies with reality BECAUSE IT IS DEADLY!!!

      • How have I changed the goal posts? Why can’t you answer the question without making excuses?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        I’ve answered virtually every question you have presented… You have hardly answered one.

        What do you actually believe that makes you a Christian?

        And what exactly is your last question that I am supposedly so timid in answering?

  5. The issue is you have interpreted Christianity with this racial component but it is hardly obvious that your interpretation is reflective of reality. You have not been able to provide a convincing basis for your theories (scriptural or otherwise). At best you have provided rambling, incoherent rants filled with undefined terminology. When questioned about the contents of these rants you claim that I ask from a position of bad faith and feigned ignorance.

    As such you cannot expect me or any other Christian to conform to your theories because, (1) they are incomprehensible for the most part and (2) the parts that are incomprehensible have no basis in Christianity.

    • thordaddy

      wS…

      There is nothing incomprehensible about whites dying, Christianity dying AND THUS white Christianity dying. And there is nothing incomprehensible about this death being due A LIBERAL INTERPRETATION of the Bible and therefore an anti-white Supremacist interpretation dooming whites to extinction… This might qualify as a genocidal interpretation?

      For you to continue to make this claim is for you to be mired in radical autonomy whether consciously or unconsciously.

      • In what specific way has the bible been interpreted liberally so as to bring about the death of white Christianity?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Redefining “neighbor” as a de facto alien… Interpreting one to turn the other cheek to one’s “enemy” either as a) submission to annihilation or b) an embrace of self-flagellation as a primary value… Interpreting Christ as neither “Jew nor Gentile” as “us” being neither Jew nor Gentile… Interpreting evil as God’s Creation instead of the consequence of genuine free will gifted to His creation AND THEIR CHOICES… Misinterpreting the Greatest Commandment and its recognition of the finite human capacity in all places, yet still with a potential for an unlimited spiritual will.

        That’s a few… In fact, that is more than enough to create a critical mass of self-annihilating “white” Christians GOING EXACTLY WHERE THEIR BELIEFS ARE BOUND to take them…

        The pathology and evilology is forcing, coercing and increasingly, violently intimidating other white Christians to follow this death march in the name of Christ.

  6. Christianity from it’s inception has always been about the annihilation of the egoic self. Your “interpretation” has never been mainstream.

    • thordaddy

      wS…

      The problem is that the practical effect of your interpretation is only an annihilation of the “ego” BECAUSE one has annihilated the self… And so having faith in Christ is not a mandate to annihilate the self… To commit to extinction.

      • Not true but it is entirely consistent with your theoretical construct for you to say this. Because you are so identified with your ego it makes sense that your identity is so wrapped up with your race. As such you see the extinction of your race (if that happens) as your own extinction. It is true that to annihilate one’s ego means to stop clinging to concepts like race. But that does not equate to an annihilation of the self. We will all be extinct at some point in the future. Not even the universe lasts forever.

        None of this racial stuff has anything to do with Christianity however.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        You are making a lot of leaps in logic with no real empirical substance behind such leaps.

        First, YOUR “ego” is conceived as a dysfunctional “force” in relation to YOUR SELF while my ego is simply that mirror put to the Self capable AND DESIROUS of true reflection. So it then follows that you would attempt to annihilate, subvert, submit or subordinate your “ego” while my ego is wont to stand as the reflective mirror that it always was and is supposed to be.

        It is also interesting to note how certain you are of your extinction ONLY BECAUSE you are certain of the destruction of the universe itself AND NOT BECAUSE you are certain that your children will decide to become childless thereby ending your particular genetic continuation which, all things considered reasonably, is only really limited by the will of your progeny AND WHAT YOU biologically, spiritually and intellectually bestowed to them. The question that then arises is why not play a facilitating role in what you perceive as an inevitable reality? And of course, YOU ALREADY DO SUCH A THING with your unsubstantiated insistence that Christ taught racial self-annihilation EITHER as a good in and of itself or as a path to salvation.

        The reality is that Christianity MUST YIELD TO REALITY or be rendered false. And the reality is that no one embraces Christianity in a deracinated state. They embrace liberal equality and call it “Christianity.”

        But the vital issue IS YOUR UNWILLINGNESS to self-annihilate on your own and without coercing and violently intimidating others to follow suit… And I am not necessarily speaking to you personally in this last regard. I am speaking to the fanatics that take your lukewarm liberal “Christianity” to its logical conclusion ending in a racial self-annihilation leading to a total annihilation and genuine radical autonomy, ie., Hell.

        THIS ^^^ demands separation from the “Christian” self-annihilators.

      • Christ taught nothing about race.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        EXACTLY…

        Christ taught nothing about RACIAL self-annihilation…

        Such belief IS the liberal “equality dogma” whispering in your ear and its infectious influence on an “ego” gone dysfunctional.

      • So you agree your racial theory has nothing to do with Christianity?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        No… But I’ll agree I have no racial THEORY…

        You have this ability to turn theories like “evolution” and abiogenesis into facts and take a fact like race and turn it into theory?

        How do you do this, Winston?

      • I don’t see any basis for the connection you believe exists between race and Christianity, scriptural, factual or otherwise. It seems to be a theory you pulled out of thin air.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        You don’t “see” a connection between your WHOLE CREATED SELF and Christianty? Does Christianity tells its adherents to annihilate its racial self? What other parts of Creation are Christians mandated to render meaningless?

      • Christianity is not concerned with the “racial self.”

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Christianity is concerned with the salvation of the soul which is intricately connected to the Self which then includes one’s racial self.

      • I agree that Christianity is concerned with the salvation of the soul. I understand it is your opinion that this then extends to one’s race but this is again unsupported by scripture or logic frankly.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        So your Soul and Self are distinct with different origins?

      • My soul is ultimately what is important.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        And the souls of your children?

      • Souls are of ultimate importance.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        This reeks of egalitarian self-annihilation…

        It’s as though your soul, your wife’s soul and your children’s souls were equally as pertinent as any other soul to the heart, mind AND soul of winstonScrooge?

      • The Good Shepherd cares for the lost sheep as much as the herd entire… Perhaps more so. Is this not what Christ taught?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Yes… But you’re not the Good Shepherd… You are merely a “white” liberal at war with his dysfunctional “ego.” And you cannot “see” how intricately tied you are to “equality dogma” and its overwhelming influential framing of your interpretation of Christianity.

      • I did not say I was. But Christ is and the essential message of Christianity is not concerned with race as is illustrated by the parable of the Good Shepherd for example.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        In Christ is neither Jew nor Gentile…

        This SHOULD NOT equate to:

        In wS is neither Jew nor Gentile…

        You are Gentile and then to either deny this or render SUCH A FACT irrelevant DOES NOT THEN indicate one has come closer to Christ, it only indicates one is at agreement with “equality dogma.”

      • Should we not try to imitate the perfect man?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Yes “we” should… Without “equality dogma” in mind.

      • I don’t know what your equality dogma is but I do know that your racial theories have no basis in Christianity.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        “Equality dogma” in this case would be you equating your being to that of Christ’s when He is said to be neither Jew nor Gentile.

        YOU BELIEVE YOURSELF to be neither Jew nor Gentile and use this fact about Christ as your “just cause.” The problem of course is that there is no real equivalence. There was a reason that Christ was neither Jew nor Gentile and such reason SHALL NEVER APPLY to you. So your imitation is born of “equality dogma,” first and foremost. You seek to be deracinated UNDER THE GUISE of Christianity FOR THE PURPOSE of absolving Liberalism’s “equality dogma.” So even when you reference The Perfect Man, you can only passionately muster a “perfect man.”

      • I really have no idea what you are talking about. I fully acknowledge I am ethnically Gentile. Who cares? I certainly do not seek to be deracinated for the purpose of absolving anything. I simply don’t think race is important and there is nothing about Christianity that even implies a racial message except that the gospel should be preached to all nations.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        What does it ACTUALLY MEAN to say Christ was neither Jew nor Gentile and HOW DOES THIS relate to you as a practicing Christian? What EXACTLY are you imitating when you are “neither Jew nor Gentile?”

      • Christ was a Jew actually. On what authority are you basing your assertion that he was neither Jew nor Gentile?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        On the “authority” of your “equality dogma” that renders you “neither Jew nor Gentile” and through equal imitation thus is your object of worship.

        BECAUSE winstonScrooge is deracinated, ie., neither Jew nor Gentile, AND THERE IS A DESIRE FOR AN EQUALITY to the Christ you worship THEN your object of worship is also neither Jew nor Gentile, ie., deracinated and unconcerned with things racial.

        There are those of “us” who identify with the Christian Assertion while absolutely rejecting a mandate to deracinate under the guise of that assertion.

        So again, the question is whether your totalitarian interpretation of Christianity is more truthful than mine? I do not believe that you have made any case whatsoever for your interpretations. Literally, none. I think you are just a liberal that wants to get into Heaven. And somedays, I feel the exact same way. So I must tell myself to be a white Supremacist. And then it strikes one that the entire society is against such an individual evolution. But then one is way to cynical to believe an entire society cares so much for my individual well being. Although, one must press this sort of ideation into the ether unless there shall be total despair.

      • I don’t know what you’re talking about. I identify as Gentile and Jesus was clearly described as a Jew in the gospels.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        So do these descriptors mean something or not? Why does it matter that Jesus was a Jew or you are a Gentile? Just meaningless facts?

      • The terms have historical and cultural significance. But from a Christian perspective they are not ultimately important.

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        Where in Scripture do you find “inspiration” for such conclusions? Does Christianity REALLY concern itself with making facts irrelevant?

      • Jesus was clearly a Jew as he worshiped at the Temple and celebrated Jewish holidays. But then he said to preach the gospel to all nations. You don’t think it’s reasonable to conclude his message is not concerned with race based on these scriptural facts?

      • thordaddy

        wS…

        His message is to seek Perfection… Which is not related in any way, shape or form to the ideologically-induced drive to pathologically deracinate.

      • That’s fine. I don’t know of anyone who is pathologically deraciating. So I guess we’re on the same page.

      • Oh and his message is not related to the consumption of banana milkshakes either so we’re good on that front as well.

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